Pak 36 killing B1 Frontally#599
As stated in the title, here is a video as well from training server
This getting a look?
Does anyone have front plate thickness specs for the Char B1 Bis? My sources say 60mm…
How about Pak 36 PzGr (not PzGr40) penetration capability at 0 deg?
Our primary “Tank/Anti-Tank” gun sources (I.V. Hogg, Chamberlain, and Bird, Livingston), all have it at 64-65mm penetration @ 100m distance and between 47-51mm @ 500m. That means it can punch holes in the Char’s front plate out to about 200 meters.
Independent (supporting) Cross References:
Source: “German Artillery of World War 2”, Ian V. Hogg, A&AP, 1975.
Ranges in metres, penetration of homogenous armour.
Weapon, -Ammo, / Angle, 100, 500,
Pak 36, -PzGr, / 0º, 65, 48,
/ 30º, 50, 36,
-PzGr 40, / 0º, 79, 50,
/ 30º, 68, 40,
Source: “Small Arms, Artillery and Special Weapons of the Third Reich”, Terry Gander and Peter
Chamberlain, Macdonald and Jane’s, 1978.
Armour type unstated, ranges in metres.
Weapon, -Ammunition, /Range, Penetration @ 0º, Penetration @ 30º,
3.7 cm Pak 36, -PzGr, / 200, 59, 45,
/ 400, 51, 38,
/ 500, 48, 36,
/ 600, 46, 34,
-PzGr 40, / 100, 79, 68,
/ 200, 72, 61,
/ 300, 65, 55,
/ 400, 58, 49,
Source: “WWII Ballistics: Armor and Gunnery”, Lorrin Rexford Bird and Robert D. Livingston, Overmatch Press 2001.
Page 61 (or 119 of the pdf file) https://www.scribd.com/doc/219173969/WWII-Ballistics-Armor-and-Gunnery
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/3-7-cm-panzerabwehrkanone-pak/
I dont know if its clear or not in the video, but i was hitting the B1 on the turret and the sloped bit of the front, also if it had hit the flat plate it would have killed the driver, which it did not and is shown at the end of the clip.
More likely you hit the turret ring. That would have given somewhere around 3° off 90° at 300m which looks like the range you were shooting.
~2 years ago this section penetrated from up to 500m and most often blew up the whole tank. Haven’t tried recently.
And maybe I just might have found a bug that some of the last HE fixes exposed. I need to document what I’m seeing with vid and logging then create a ticket. FYI, this took some time to get a result. I’ve spent the morning shooting myself offline in a controlled test where I can see each shot hit while being the matty in external view. Checking armor thickness in the model (looks correct) and looking through weapon logs to find where the round stopped and what hit the crew/inside stuff. It all takes time, and a little luck sometimes, to hit the spot causing the odd result.
My guess is that this is more fallout from fixing HE so that it works again and finding hidden issues with the armor model that was likely the reason HE was disabled in some instances many years ago.
Thank you sir
Any update i think we will be back in tier0 very soon
I created a ticket with the info I collected. A lot of stuff in the que already and between RL and time spent testing both on alpha as well as for dev im not sure if it’s been worked on yet.
Wasnt sure where this clip was but recently found it. 3+ years old.
There were other frontal spots up close as well on turret etc. In this clip I was just spamming trying to track it then missed and noticed it penned
For some reason I can’t change the ticket status, but will be reviewing the the Char and Matty front for armor leaks, and kwk/pak 36 performance.